Artists Phoenix Toews and Evita Huapaya came into the KZSC studio to talk with Nada Miljkovic on December 17, 2011. We had an insightful conversation concerning augmented reality and live streaming.

This is the third time that Phoenix has been on the sister shows, Artist on Art and Gamers on Game. It is hard to know which show to put him on. He is the perfect cross-disciplinary artist that can speak to both art and game making. Among his many talents, he is an augmented reality guru having worked in the field a decade before smart phone technology came into being. As an artist, he thinks conceptually. If there is not a platform or container to actualize his idea, he invents the media. For instance, Phoenix invented the augmented reality friendly and open source programming language, Palimsest, to create  his MFA graduating project, Palimpsest.

Phoenix graduated from the UCSC’s Digital Arts and New Media program this past June 2011. His graduating piece entitled, “Palimpsest: Augmented Reality Theater,” is an open-source augmented-reality browser capable of layering media over specific landscapes viewed through the iPhone. By employing a simple, yet powerful, scripting engine, the browser enables the creation of socially mediated narratives contextualized by geographic location, games that interact with the physical environment, and artistic performances and installations that are virtually attached to a real-world physical space. A participant may explore one of several experiences and narratives, and may navigate and interact with virtual objects such as images, 3D models, and sounds which are located at physical gps coordinates.

Since graduating, Phoenix has created several other projects, so as Pyrite which is a fully immersive and reactive AR environment that lets you transform your world into unique, photographic sculptures. He built Pyrite through the new company Augmented Mountain that was co-created with two other recent UCSC graduates, Meredith Drum and Mitch Miller. Pyrite is an application for the iPhone and iPad available at the Apple App Store. Pyrite is currently being used at the Scope Art Festival in Miami.

Joining in on our conversation was Evita Huapaya.  Evita is a artist, designer and videographer currently involved with live streaming technologies. You can see her work at and SandSpitMedia on UStream.

To hear our broadcast in its entirety, please click the gray ‘play’ button below: [haiku url=”″ title=”Phoenix Toews w/ Evita Haupaya” graphical=”true”]

Here are two excerpts of the interview that will not be broadcast.


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